Kyle Richardson Pre Mount Marathon Interview

Mount Marathon is the kind of course that doesn’t care about your resume. It’s steep, loose, fast, and packed with a century of mountain running history, and that’s exactly why we wanted Kyle Richardson back on the podcast right before the 98th running.

We talk about what it means to arrive in Alaska healthy after past injuries, and why that alone can feel like a win in trail running and skyrunning. Kyle shares how he’s balancing curiosity with competitiveness as a first-timer, taking in the Alaskan mountain running culture, swapping notes with locals, and treating the whole scene like a masterclass in steep movement. If you’ve ever traveled for a race with unfamiliar terrain, you’ll recognize the mix of awe and nerves he describes when you stare up at a mountain that everyone else seems to know by heart.

Kyle also opens up about changing his approach to training by working with coach Jack Kenzel. We get into structured interval sessions, weighted workouts, heat training, and why “hard days harder, easy days stupid easy” can be a breakthrough when you’re used to chasing constant effort. We also dig into the mental shift from FKTs, where you can pick the perfect day, to racing, where the calendar is fixed and you accept whatever the mountain gives you.

We wrap with the practical details that matter on a course like this: shoes with lugs for mud, gaiters for fine rock, uncertain line choices through braided sections, and the simple commitment to go full gas on the descent. If you like conversations about mountain race strategy, technical descending, and training specificity, hit play, then subscribe, share this with a trail buddy, and leave us a review.

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Kyle Returns For Mount Marathon

SPEAKER_00 0:57

company. All right, Kyle Richardson, welcome back to the Steep Stuff Hot Podcast. How's it going, man?

SPEAKER_01 1:03

Hey James. I'm good. Thanks for having me on. Excited to chat about the race.

SPEAKER_00 1:08

Yeah, man. I couldn't be more stoked. Uh this is I'm really pumped for this one. Mount Marathon, the 98th running, and you are a part of it. And uh it's very fitting, it's very exciting. I feel like if there's a race that's gonna be fit your style, I feel like this one is it. So maybe before I get ahead of myself, how are you feeling kind of going into this? And how are the nerves? How's the excitement? Where are you at right now?

SPEAKER_01 1:36

Yeah, I'm I'm great. I I think anytime you get to a destination like with an objective in mind and you can get there healthy, um, excited, like with good energy. That's I mean, that's most of the battle right there. So in terms of that, I'm feeling super good. Um got out and like looked at the the mountain a couple times last few days, and yeah, I'm just stoked to you know, put the bib on and go run hard, you know. That's all you can really do. So I'm super curious to yeah, just have the experience and and and line up with a deep field and you know, get to talk to the locals about like yeah, the Alaska running culture, and then just kind of try to learn things from other people. I'm here, um learn how they like to run, because obviously having this in your backyard, if if that's what you grew up running on, you know, um you're gonna be an incredible mountain runner. And on that note, like I was coming down the lower gully um yesterday, and these two little Groms came through like shirtless, these little kids, you know, just regular little like sneakers on, and they're just hucking down the cliffs, and they're probably like first or second graders, you know. And imagine if you started mountain running at that age and you were experiencing this from that young. And I mean, imagine what they're doing when they're my age when they're 30, you know, or whatnot. Like it's uh it breeds some of the best runners and athletes in the world. So um, yeah, stoked to be here.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

That's amazing, man. I gotta ask you this like it's been it's been a journey for you, an interesting one. Like you've you've been on the start list for a couple races and on the sky running series and things like that in years past. I know you've you've struggled with some injury trying to get to these start lines, and because it's not out of lack of not wanting to be there, it's it's obviously just trying to get to their healthy. So, just from a meaning perspective, it's gotta mean so much to you to be feeling good. I mean, in our text messages back and forth, you're like, dude, this is I feel great. This is a great training block. So that's that's exciting for me to hear, but it's got to be great for you, man.

SPEAKER_01 3:40

Yeah, no, I think I mentioned earlier, like if you just show up healthy, I mean, that's some really good satisfaction there. Like you feel like you're you nailed the training because yeah, you're just kind of in that good headspace. I would say that as far as like some of the races that I've done, you know, it's um seeking out the more technical stuff. I mean, I've always gravitated towards FKTs because yeah, the more gnarly stuff is technically, yeah, or uh you know, usually not sanctioned or like it's hard to permit like the super gnarly stuff, and um I bet there's like a pretty hefty waiver you have to sign for this race, um as far as like yeah, just legality stuff. But um yeah, no, I mean I don't have much to say, honestly. Just like try to let the running speak for itself, and um yeah, you know, the train training went well, like maybe we get

New Coaching And Structured Training

SPEAKER_01 4:29

into it. I started working with Jack Kenzel, um, you know, just sent him a text a few months ago and it's like, oh, like will you help me with this like not marathon block? Um kind of had like a short window to to train for it as far as like some some traveling and spend most of the early months of the year kind of just base building, and I'm like, I don't I don't need a coach to do that kind of stuff and just kind of get to that baseline fitness. And I know that how I like to run, like interjecting a coach, could be potentially um a little dangerous for me in terms of like jeopardizing like my vision and like my style as far as what I want to do in the mountains. Like I don't want to take it too seriously. Um, I don't want to go past that zone where you're like maybe yeah, questioning what you're doing or doing it for the wrong reasons. Because I've always got outside and ran because of the landscape, just the being able to see the beauty in the mountains. That's been my number one driver from day one. Um so having someone like Jack, he's a really good friend of mine. So I feel like we were having that connection, I was able to kind of yeah, approach it and be comfortable with him, like sort of taking the reins as far as the training goes and just using it as more of like a personal like self-experiment. That makes sense. I mean you all my training is public, you go through there, there's like stuff that I would never ever do. Like, you know, it's just not my yeah, it's not my style really, but I think pushing yourself into these uncomfortable sort of foreign situations, yeah, you're gonna have some takeaways. You're gonna be, wow, I really like that, or wow, I really don't like that. And I think that will help shape future training blocks and future objectives because you kind of put yourself out there to do something new. And so Jack is, you know, we're doing weighted workouts, heat sessions, and pretty structured interval workouts. And yeah, I like to go a little bit more with the flow and the vibes of that day. I just, you know, get up into the mountains. But it's been a yeah, fun test to can you even do what this person's asking you to do? You know, like uh they set the training out for the week, and you're like, all right, I mean, got a four-hour run today. I got like here's the the goals for the session. Like, I'm gonna go try to execute it to the best of my ability and kind of just go day to day and see what Jack has for me. So that's been a pretty fun uh journey, honestly. And yeah, I don't know of like what I want to do after this race as far as coaching or whatnot, but I know that I'll have like all these experiences to kind of lean on as far as like does a coach make sense for this objective, or am I going on this like multi-week bikepacking adventure where like volume and easy mile, you know, like depending on the objective, I think it makes sense to lock in in different ways.

SPEAKER_00 7:13

Um I love it. I mean, first things first, I'm gonna say, you know, Jack is one of the best coaches in the sport, hands down, one of the most brilliant minds. So having him in your corner is so important for something like this. I'd also gotta say, man, I really respect and appreciate like you could do anything for three months, right? So if it's a matter of just making a few changes and getting some different structure, it is interesting, especially for an athlete like you, who has done so much and accomplished so much, some little changes like what what what Jack has to offer. It's interesting to see where you're at and where it can take you, you know, as far as your evolution. How how do you feel about that? Like, do you do you feel like you've progressed in this in this training block to where you're capable of of things that you might have not been capable of before?

SPEAKER_01 7:58

I mean, I think so. I think it's hard to really look at the numbers and be like, oh, like if I ran hard right now, I'm gonna PR on green or something like that. But you have good feelings and sensations that are like, yeah, you just feel stronger. Like you do these weighted sessions. It's hard not to, like, the couple weeks after you recover, you're like, no, I'm like physically stronger because of the work that I put in. Sometimes when you get tied up in running too hard or running fast all the time, you just get into that plateau where you don't really have, yeah, the sense you're not locked in with what's going on. You're kind of just like, oh, this is what I got, and like hopefully it like works out on that day or that run or whatnot. So this is more, yeah, like much more peaks and valleys as far as like where the effort lies. Like, I mean, every coach is saying this now, but like the harder days get harder, and the easy days are like stupid easy. It's like who in some ways the training's like not glamorous, you know, like there you're not setting Strava crowns and PRs and left and right, and like if you there's times when that's fun to do and run hard, but I think this block has tested me, yeah, to just really like figure out what's important and not overdo it and like yeah, just listen to someone else kind of oversee the volume. Um, you know, like I've been biking less and yeah, just trying to like mapping out the runs, you know, it's uh it's a little different for me. Um, but it's refreshing.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

Yeah, so I mean I peeped your Strava obviously before this, and you're your volume- I mean, everything looks great, man. I mean, you know, some somewhere in the ballpark of what like 60 to 70 something miles a week running and then like five to seven hours on the bike, like a week, plus with some serious vertical. So yeah, I think things like things, I mean, from far away look really good. So uh for a race like this, you know, obviously But you know that doesn't mean shit.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

Like uh no, I know it's just like I you like huck it up the mountain and all of a sudden these these hometown locals from Alaska just shred you on the downhill. It's like you know, it's anything that happened, it's like it's one of those things where I'm just looking to have a hard run, you know, and like wherever I turn out there, I think it's one of those things where you can kind of walk away and whether things went well in the moment or like oh I picked a bad line or I rolled my ankle here and there, like those are minor things. I don't I'm not gonna have um any like huge excuses like oh I came in with this, or like you know, like it's like this is what I got, you know. Like um yeah, exactly. And and the rookie mentality and yeah, just trying to soak up as much as I can from just the the scene. Um you going up the mountain and just seeing what people are doing, what shoes they're wearing, and the lines they're taking. It's like I'm over here with a notepad, just like scribbling down, you know, like the just trying to grow, you know.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

And dude, I think that's the way to do it is like it immerse yourself in it and get to know people from the community. Everyone has told me. I mean, I have not spent out, you know, personally have not spent time up there, but I've had so many members of that community on the podcast, and it seems so special that that that Alaskan mountain running just culture is very unique and just just different. It's not like what we have in the lower 48.

SPEAKER_01 11:02

Yeah, we just don't have that terrain like this.

Training For Scree And Steep Descents

SPEAKER_01 11:05

I mean, and and maybe this is a good thing to spur on to, um, as far as like uh the training, and like you have an objective or a project or a race, and you're like, okay, this is where I live. Let me break down these key things that I can really like um kind of work on that will prepare me for the race. So like certain lines on green or like certain zones in the alpine, like where is there scree? Like the Indian peaks in Rocky Mountain National Park are covered in snow. Where am I gonna go to train to get on scree? Like, I don't need practice scrambling in the flat irons or practice going up longs, which is kind of what my heart wants to do. But I'm like, I need to get on steep scree and like get on stuff that's um like the mountain here. Um so in some ways I love that aspect of like really like finding those key zones that can prepare that can kind of try to prepare you for the race. Um, you know, you're really digging into like, okay, I think this is what it's gonna be like. I don't really know. I'm gonna ask some people. And like I ran with Meg once, and she was like, we ran some descent together, and she's like, oh, this is like a good line to work on for Mount Marathon. Like there's some loose rocks and some steep little zones on this line, and so like really trying to almost approach it like a climber would, like, with a project, you know, like you're like recreating like the moon board with the holds of your hard project, but you're doing that on like your local hill. Um, you know, so I find that super rewarding.

SPEAKER_00 12:32

Oh, I love that, dude. That's ups like I the degree and level of obsession and just just interest in it. I think that's the way you have to approach it if you want to do well or you know, just get the most especially if you're a rookie side of yourself. Yeah, how do you approach that being well I actually this is like a two-part question? The first thing is is like I've always known you, you know, obviously you've had so much success in the sport, you've done a lot of really incredible things, but a lot of stuff on the FKT side. How do you approach like a race? Do you do you approach it mentally the same as an FKT? Or like how how do you kind of approach that because

Racing Mentality Versus FKTs

SPEAKER_00 13:05

it's a competition with you, not like you're not racing the ghost of someone. How do you reconcile that?

SPEAKER_01 13:11

Yeah, I think multi-part answer to that is like one, like having someone like Jack who has like much more race experience than me, as far as like doing stuff in Europe and kind of like whether that's schemo stuff or even foot running like in Trophy Okema and Jir Damont and Yeah, kind of let leaning on that, and that that's kind of like what I think brought me to hit him up is like I know that he has more experience than me and like really seeking out those people that you can kind of learn from, um, versus like being stuck in this mindset where like, oh, I know it all, and like this is what I'm gonna do. As far as like lining up with other people, I think my approach is not that different. It's different in the way that you don't get to pick the day. Like, um, and in some ways a coach can help guide you into what you should do leading up to like the race week and like kind of like ironing that out because like with an FKT, I'm like, okay, I want to do it in this week, and then we're gonna kind of pick the day with the weather and and you know, hone in on that and try to optimize for like good legs and and uh good conditions. But that being said, even on those days, like it's never perfect, so it's at some point you just gotta like just do it. So and having it on the calendar, it's like, oh, it's July 4th, it's like yep, that's just the day we're gonna race, you know, and kind of just accept it honestly and like not think too much out of too much of it. I mean, yeah. Oh, I just want to run hard, you know.

SPEAKER_00 14:39

What uh being on the course yesterday and getting to see the whole thing, what did you what did you think? Like, what is there like section did you already start taking what I'm trying to ask is like already start to take notes on like okay, I can try and possibly like exploit a move here, or I feel like the descent I'm gonna be comfortable on more than the climb or any little things that you picked up that you're like, ah, I think that this will gel really well for me. Because I've always known you to be pretty balanced. Like you're a great descender and a great climber.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

Yeah, I think I'm gonna just try to be consistent and and uh I don't to be honest, there's no spot where I'm like, I'm gonna make a move here. I mean, I just um I wouldn't, yeah, I'm just looking to kind of go hard um and like lean on some other folks for line choices and just be in the mix and see like how long can you run at the front or like in the mix of the front guys and just try to mix it up like uh after after that, it's like um yeah, I have no idea. You hit the top and then it's just like you just fucking go down. You know, you're just like like there's no no I mean there's no um yeah, you just go full gas down. There's no yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly. Um I don't think there's any um that being said, like I feel my running economy feels really good. Like I'm confident about all the the stuff at the start and at the end. Like, I mean the mountains are where I'm most comfortable, but like I would say I tend to not have the greatest, like the flat running and stuff that you need to fin the start and finish this race. Like I know that I have the wheels to go fast there too, so I think having that and like being confident at those sections because yeah, you you could like lose time on the descent, but then if you don't have the road speed at the end, like there's you know some minutes there too. So I think looking at it as like a holistic thing and like being confident for the flats, you know, for the steeps and the steep downs, like yeah, I think uh just yeah, tried to run hard. I feel like I've said that three or four times, but honestly, that's where my head's at. Is like with this training with Jack, we haven't done a lot of like um yeah, like time trialing or just like hard running as far as like, yeah, I'm just gonna like tempo this climb or like go for this crown or something. It's done a lot of that work with the weighted stuff. Um, and I feel like I that's a habit, a bad habit of mine is where you're just like, yeah, doing all this threshold work of these climbs like many times a week and you start to kind of burn out. So I think it's been refreshing to yeah, not do that. And then I have like all this angst and like just fury that I want to just run hard up the hill, man. Like, I don't care like if I'm first or last or wherever, like I just want to like kind of get that out of my system and like kind of have that joy of like, yep, like today you get to go hard and like just enjoy that like pain of going hard. Hell

Shoe Choice And Course Conditions

SPEAKER_01 17:30

yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:30

I gotta I gotta ask you the shoe question because San Juan Results San Juan Riesle uh did it like leaked a little bit with uh some of the I guess it was I don't know if they were Norvins or Sylvans that you had sent. That gets some special uh outsoles on there, um, a couple different ones. I know you were kind of playing with. What did you what did you settle on for race day?

SPEAKER_01 17:49

Um I'm gonna run the vertex speed that has like a Zega Lite um Riesle. I mean, yeah, you definitely want a shoe with lugs for this course. I mean, that's probably a no-brainer, but I think um, especially right now, it's pretty um, there's some moisture, there's like some muddy sections where it's like everyone slid down the mud, so it's like you really need something to bite into the the soil. And that shoe has like a little gator around the ankle. Um, I think uh yeah, that's necess that's I don't know, it seems like it's necessary to have a gator, but also the rock is pretty fine, and I don't know, I I didn't have any issues with like rocks getting in my shoes, but it seems like that's something people like really like dial in. Um I think that is important, but this shoe like luckily has a built-in gator, so it's kind of like the best of both worlds. Um but like watch that I I finished the race on Saturday and my shoes are just filled with rock. I know people like tape their ankles and like gators. There's like you know, probably so many different little hacks for that. But at the end of the day, like I'm like I could run for whatever with some rocks in my shoes, you know. Like it's uh just kind of suck it up and and get over it as far as just doing it. Um yeah, but the vertex speed is a super super cool shoe, and yeah, not something that I think I was originally planning on using, but with the Riesle, it like really kind of unlocks the shoe for like the steeps. I think it's more at home in the standard version on say like scrambling in the flat irons or like going up more technical rock phases and stuff, but the the lugs yeah open it up to be like a great like steep shoe. So um yeah, that's what I'm gonna settle with. Um but yeah, shout out to Scott from San Juan Riesle for doing some speedy work. And I think I he's done like four or five pairs of my shoes, so he's yeah, nice getting them going.

SPEAKER_00 19:44

What uh did you peep the I obviously I would imagine you did the cliffs and the roots? And did you settle on a line that you think because I the only reason I ask is because I was very kind of blew me away that like Ali took for her course records took the roots or like a deviation of the roots, and most people take the cliffs.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

Yeah, I don't even I don't even really know what the like I don't even I can't answer that really. I think I took the cliffs. You basically enter the goalie and it's kind of like a little hard right and you kind of go up some little scrambly stuff, but then there's roots above it, so it's like it's all roots, huh? Yeah, I don't know. I know that there's like a big cliffy section that they like don't let you do anymore. I think apparently. I was like talking to some people, like at the lower goalie, you kind of get to this rock head wall that has like a giant crack through it, and it yeah, it looks like you could easily scramble up through it, but I think on the way up, you kind of have to skirt around that feature, and then on the way down, they kind of funnel you back around to the cliffs, so you can't like technically stay in the goalie all the way. But maybe I don't know. That's what this dude was telling me yesterday. But um, yeah, honestly, who knows? There's like a lot of little variations at the bottom um where it's like braided. You could go left. You know, yesterday I'm going up for the first time. Like, could I go left or right? Left or right, and you're just like they both will come to the same spot. It's like little braided, little braided till you get up the tree line. And honestly, that's tomorrow. I'm just or like uh the race day, I'm just gonna try to lock into someone that seems like they know where they're going. I mean, it's early on in the race, so I don't yeah, you can kind of lock in there, I think, with someone. Um, and my teammate from Arctaryx, Jesse, has done it a bunch, ran really well here, um, podium or whatnot. And so I think asking him some questions or just running with him at the race honestly will be helpful. Um so yeah. I don't I have no idea about the the cliffs or the roots.

SPEAKER_00 21:39

Um so get to learn all race tag,

What A Podium Would Mean

SPEAKER_00 21:42

it'll be fun. All right, last question. What would it mean to you to perform really well at this race? But like get on the because you have the ability to get on the podium. What what would it mean to do something like that?

SPEAKER_01 21:53

Yeah, I think it just like reaffirms kind of like my style of running in the mountain. And like also reaffirms like I think what I've done in the past, like say run a competitive time. Like it's one of those things that you can kind of like not compare yourself to others, but you know, you see Killian, Ricky Gates, all like David, you know, the list goes on. Jesse, you're like, okay, I ran this time, you know, this is where I stack up, um, this is where I train, this is what I'm all about. And you kind of like can cement yourself in history a bit there. Um so yeah, I think it would it would mean a lot just to kind of like feel like you executed it to the best of your ability. I think there's a satisfaction with anytime you run hard or do an objective, you get to the end, there's that whether you did well or not, you like feel that really good, just kind of like, ah, that was amazing. Kind of like I'm so happy that I I gave it my all or just like put myself out there. Um so yeah, I think that's kind of where my head's at. But I know it's a deep field, and yeah, it's the first time. So looking to to yeah, really glean a lot from others and yeah, just kind of soak in that atmosphere, try to like I don't know, ingrain some of that Alaskan spirit into like what I like to do and bring that back to Colorado and onto the next projects and whatnot. And yeah, so I love that.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

I mean, either way, it's gonna be a fast year. I don't think it's gonna be very easy for David this year. I think you, I think Jackson, I think he's gonna be, I think David's in for it's not gonna be an easy day at the office. I I think there's a possibility even without snow on the descent, there's a still a possibility some like someone cracks up 40 this year just because of the level of the guys in this field.

SPEAKER_01 23:37

So I honestly have like no um comprehension of what that time even means. Like it's funny because like my round trip FKT on green is like 44 minutes. So I'm like, okay, that's like you know, people run 42, 43, 44. I mean, obviously even faster than that, but I'm like, okay, that's I know in my head what that it feels like as far as like 44 minutes of hard running. I'm like, how do people go up and down this thing that fast? You're like looking, you're looking up at it and you're like just in total awe. You can see the freaking track just burned in. And I it's funny, I was telling, I'll try to make this short, but like uh I don't know if you know Taylor Finney, but um, he's like a cyclist, like used to ride for EF, yeah, you know, super, super famous, and uh he did this thing where he was like riding eight hours of figure eights in the dirt in like Girona, and it was like he was burning in the track, like he was calling like Ocho de Ocho's, and he was just doing these eights, and like I look up at the the track on Mount Marathon, and it's just the descent just burned in, and you're just like, oh damn, like so it's just all the hours of people up there just like running the descent over and over and over again for what how many years did you say? 98 right now, and you're just like, holy shit, you like can feel that energy of like how important and meaningful it is to be up there. So I think um yeah, I can I can yeah, I'm trying to embody that, you know, with my running and just my approach.

Race History And Sponsor Gratitude

SPEAKER_00 25:05

So I love it, man. Yeah, a lot of history on that mountain. I think that's one of the things that makes it so cool. When you go to a race that just has so much history and it matters so much to the community, it's just different. I mean, there's been some iconic I mean, 2015 is a great year, you know. That was one of the it was with Killian and Ricky and Eric Strabel and you know, kind of this battle between the Alaskans and and you know, this new guy on the block and Killian in the height of his powers, and then Emily breaks the course record. So yeah, it's it's and then now in 2026, like this is another monumental year now with Arctaryx kind of taking, you know, taking the reins of sponsoring the race and bringing a lot of the you know, Emica Clark, yourself, and a lot of these other athletes, it it does make things a little bit different, which I think is really cool. So it's just another year in this uh uh you know, just on the timeline of this amazing race. So very cool to you'll be a part of history, which is dope.

SPEAKER_01 25:57

Yeah, one last thing I'll say is like uh on that note is like the really big um thanks to Arctarix for yes supporting this race, but then also giving the opportunity to come out here. I think uh in the past, as far as going to races, like I think I've always gravitated to doing stuff at home because it's what I have access to, it's what I can do easier, it's financially easier, it's easier for a lot of reasons. So you can find these like epic projects close to home, but then when you have someone that can support you to go kind of do these bigger goals and dreams, it's like uh you just I'm super grateful. Uh I can't say it enough to just be here representing the brand and like uh yeah, just doing that. So um yeah, big shout out to Arcterics and excited to see what they can bring to the race in the next few years and yeah, just try to grow mountain running for the brand. And I think this is the kind of the pinnacle race.

SPEAKER_00 26:50

100%. Yeah, I think that was it was for a brand fit, 100% a great fit for a race like this. That's the I mean, Mount Marathon is you know, kind of the mountain race, the oldest mountain race in the w in North America at least. I don't know if one of the oldest in the world, but it's pretty crazy,

Good Luck And Closing

SPEAKER_00 27:05

man. Well, listen, Kyle, I'm gonna give you back some time. I don't want to take all your time. Dude, I am wishing you the best of luck. Cannot wait to follow your race on Saturday. I hope it's amazing. I hope it's everything you want it to be. And uh it's a good idea. So enjoy yourself, have fun, and uh we'll catch up after the race.

SPEAKER_01 27:20

Thank you so much, James. Appreciate it.