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Kalie McCrystal, Pre Beast of Big Creek Interview
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A technical FKT at home can be more than a big day out. For Kalie McCrystal, it’s a proving ground for the skills that matter when the terrain gets steep, exposed, and unforgiving, and a stepping stone toward bigger goals like the Matterhorn speed record.
We talk through her Tantalus Traverse FKT in the Tantalus Range across from Squamish, BC, a bucket-list alpine line that mixes runnable trail with moraines, snowfields, glaciers, route finding, and a crux that often includes multiple rappels. Kallie shares what “safe and fast” actually looks like on big mountain terrain: choosing the right weather window, deciding whether to rope up, and carrying just enough gear to manage risk while still moving efficiently. We also get honest about the unglamorous stuff that decides the day, like under-eating, bonking late, and planning water stops when there’s no resupply.
From there, we shift into racing and why a skyrunning course can feel simpler than an FKT: fewer moving parts, less navigation, and more room to truly test fitness. Kallie previews Beast of Big Creek, talks about the joy of racing with friends, and lays out what’s ahead in Europe, including Trofeo Kima and an ambitious push to bring women’s times closer to men’s on iconic technical records. If you care about alpine running, technical scrambling, mountain race strategy, and the next wave of women pushing the ceiling in the sport, this one’s for you.
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Callie’s Summer And Alpine Season
SPEAKER_00Callie McChrystal, welcome to the Steep, welcome back to the Steep Stuff Podcast. How's it going?
SPEAKER_01Good. Yeah, thanks for having me back. I'm excited to be here.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, super stoked to catch up. I know you've been quite busy this summer doing a lot of really fun things. I know you and I were just talking offline about your uh Tantals Traverse FKT and the post you had on it. I was like, whoa, this is this is dope. So excited to talk about that. Um overall, how's the vibes? We got another race coming up uh in the Beast of Big Creek.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, vibes are high, stoke is high. It's always nice um when it gets to Alpine season here in kind of BC in the Pacific Northwest, because it's usually pretty short between wildfires and uh snowpack. So we're right in the height of that, which makes for good racing, but also good adventuring on the side.
SPEAKER_00Nice, nice. I love it. It's uh yeah, it's an exciting time.
Season Planning, Tapering, And FOMO
SPEAKER_00It's always hard. I don't know. Do you ever find it hard like trying to figure out like what to do? Like, do you plan your objectives out like way ahead of time, or do you just build a ton of fitness and then go for something? Like, how do you plan your season when it comes to start like putting things together?
SPEAKER_01It depends for me. This year was more structured. I kind of got this idea um to structure a season around trying to like close the gap between men and women's technical FKTs last year. And so I've really structured my season around that this year, but it's so tough to give up on all the fun adventures and to fit everything you want to do in. And I'm lucky enough to get opportunities to do things like travel across the world and see other mountains. So yeah, definitely like FOMO on a regular basis when you're just like, well, I guess I'll just go for my flat shakeout run when your friends are in the mountains.
SPEAKER_00So true. Yeah, the FOMO is really hard. I I do find that, especially if you're like, I don't know, are you big on like tapering for stuff, or do you kind of just train into an effort? Dude, especially if I'm like on a taper for something, it's uh it's like, yeah, I want to be in the mountains doing something like really ridiculously fun and hard. And yeah, it's uh yeah, it's not, it's I don't know, it's it's challenge, whatever.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. It's like it's not like the worst challenge to have. I actually I have been like I had a few colds this late spring and summer, which usually I'm pretty healthy, but I've been doing a lot of travel and just like picked up a couple airport colds, and that's the worst FOMO because you're like, I know I could go and do this mountain day, but it will wreck me for the next week. And so you're just sitting inside, going for like easy spins, just being like, I'm wasting the weather.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. No, those are the worst, especially with the travel. I did quite a few coast to coasts already this year, and that's like been my biggest like hesitation. I'm like, oh god, I'm gonna get sick. And not going to blood so far, not yet, but now that I say that, I'm definitely gonna get sick, probably. Uh yeah, it's the worst. Um, let's shift gears
Tantalus Traverse FKT Overview
SPEAKER_00a little bit. Obviously, we're here to talk a little bit about Beast of Big Creek, but I'd be remiss if we didn't talk about an FKT you just started talking, or you just put up in the Tantalus Traverse. I thought that was a super cool route and another one that I think to the wider audience, people should learn more about. So maybe talk a little bit about it. And like you said, you're on this mission to start getting those women's times much closer to the men's times, which I think is awesome. So talk a little bit about all of that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, sure. So um I'll start with the Tantalus Traverse. So the Tantalus Traverse is um kind of a big mountain route that spans the Tantalus Mountain Range in Squamish. And if you've ever been to Squamish, there's you know the house out and a big river. And across the river is the Tannalus. So it's hard to get to. Um, it's often accessed by heli or by float plain. And there's this traverse that goes all the way across the range. There's no, once you get kind of into the Alpine, there's no trail, but it's a bit of like this local piece that is on a lot of people's bucket lists. Um there's some pretty gnarly like glacier and uh mountain sections. And I had done it last year with some friends in about 14 hours, which is like still a pretty solid time. We brought ropes and stuff. And the my good friend of mine had lowered the men's time a couple years ago um down to about seven hours, and he's an excellent climber and just like amazing in that big terrain. But the women's time was sitting at about uh 12 hours and 40 minutes. And as I mentioned, I kind of like went on this, decided to go on this quest last year of bringing some FKTs that were quite far apart for men and women on this technical technical terrain a lot closer together. And this was a big one for me because it's at home, everybody knows it. Um, and I I knew that it would really like take all the skills that I've been developing over the years to go get it. So um, yeah, everything kind of lined up, my body and the weather window, and I didn't get as much recon as I wanted, but I kind of went for it, I guess two days ago now, and um yeah, ended up lowering the the women's time by about three hours, and everything kind of went pretty smoothly, um as smoothly as I could have hoped at least. And I'm pretty, yeah, I was pretty stoked on that effort. Um, definitely a bit cracked right now. My legs are my quads are pretty trash, but that one was a meaningful for one for me just being at home and and knowing everything that it involved to make it happen.
SPEAKER_00So epic.
Technical Crux, Glaciers, Safety Choices
SPEAKER_00Of the traverse itself, like how is there any degree of running? Is it mostly class three through class five climbing? Like what maybe walk me through like the level of technicality.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so the first um the first 8K is on a trail called the Sigarin Tree Creek Trail. So that's kind of running. And then you're just in the alpine and you have to climb up um about another thousand meters on up a moraine and then up onto snow to get up to this call called the Pelion Call. And then from there, you're just traversing these mountains, and every once in a while you'll pick up a boot pack from other parties, or there's this one like meadow area where there's sort of a faint trail or a couple different versions of the trail. Um, but a lot of it from that point forward is is crossing snowfields and glaciers and scrambling, and sort of like the the crux is up and over Tantalus Mountain, which usually involves um kind of three to five rappels that are just like difficult to find, they're a little awkward. Sometimes they're, you know, you kind of like scramble between them, it's very exposed. Um, and then once you get off that, you're again like back on this big glacier uh and down moraines down to this lake, and then you're back on a trail for sort of the last 10k. So it's really like this big middle section that is the most challenging to navigate.
SPEAKER_00That is epic. I'm I'm stoked. I want to do something like that. I gotta I gotta I gotta ask you about the glacier travel. Do you because obviously I know you're you're you're you're a mixed athlete, you do a lot of different disciplines. Um how much do you prepare for like the glacial travel with like uh like crevasses and stuff like that? Is that like an actual like risk for for in on something like this? Um, or is the glacier travel pretty straightforward on this route?
SPEAKER_01The glacier travel is usually pretty straightforward as long as you're within um the right weather window. I was watching conditions pretty closely, like watching the snowpack and getting beta back from people that had done it and from a couple guides. Um, so as long as you go at the right time of year, there's not there's easy ways to get around the open crevasses and it's pretty safe. I'd say maybe like half of parties rope up on some of these glaciers. Um so I decided not to, but I did have a helmet and an ice axe and an alpine harness and an in-reach with me. So I was sort of I treated it like a big mountain day rather than a trail run for sure.
Nutrition And Water Without Resupply
SPEAKER_00Epic. Now, did you go light on the calories and food? Did you bring a lot of stuff with like what was your nutrition strategy for something like this?
SPEAKER_01Um, yeah, I definitely didn't end up eating as much as I would have liked. Uh, it's tough when you're doing something that's that's this long where you just have zero resupply. And I was carrying so much stuff, and there's so many transitions between like I had like micro spikes and poles and an ice axe that it just felt I don't know, it just I didn't eat as much as I wanted to. Um I had like one bottle that was full of gels, so like 250 grams of carbs in that, and then I had like assorted gels and bars on me. Um, but then you have to keep like one bottle with with the filter clean for just water, and then like it's just like a bit of a faff. It's like when you go ski touring, it's just there's a lot going on, and usually you just eat less than you want. So that's definitely something that I could have done a bit better, and I was bonking in the last descent a bit, but at that point, you're just kind of like I'm not taking this pack off to search for the extra granola bar that I put in the back. I'm just getting to the bottom of this thing.
SPEAKER_00For the water, are you like filtering from are you able to get to any streams and stuff like that? Or is it just like melted, like trying to take snow and melt it or with in in your filter flask?
SPEAKER_01Uh there's like a couple, you sort of have to plan in advance where you're going to get water. So I knew along the route when I needed to fill up. Um, there's like a little lake that's on a ridge, and there's usually sort of some melt that comes off um once you get over the big mountain. So I just kind of had to plan in advance and make sure that I was stopping where I needed to, so that I wouldn't be just completely out for hours and hours.
SPEAKER_00So crazy. That's awesome.
Beast Of Big Creek Race Preview
SPEAKER_00All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna thread the needle from this to beast of big creek now. Uh you take it, you take an FKT like this, which is highly technical, a lot of gear involved, a lot of just it's it's a lot more moving parts than something like a race where you're just gonna rip it, especially Beast of Big Creek, especially when you're looking at a course like this. Um, I'd say it's it's not extremely technical when you're looking at other things compared to other races on the Skyrunner series and things like that. Does how how does that simplify things for you? Is it is that uh easier and just a little bit more fun or just different? Is it is it does this excite you a little bit to be able to just not have the technical components with you and just be able to rip it on a course like this?
Foot Care Sponsor Spot
SPEAKER_00Guys, how's your feet? Like seriously, yeah. How's uh how are your feet doing? Um I'm sure if you're listening to this, you're a runner or an athlete of some kind uh in one way or another. And as most athletes do, everybody struggles with injury one way or another, and foot care is like one of the most important things when it comes to injury mitigation or just dealing with injuries in general. Um everything from plantar fasciitis, peroneal issues, uh a lot of people deal with blisters in the sport. Uh kind of the list goes on. It's a great opportunity for me to talk about our partner, Cetist US. Um, I've been partnering with them for a couple of years now, and man, the products have just gone such a long way for me as an athlete personally. Um couple months back, I'd been dealing with some proneal issues and some planter issues on my left foot, and uh got hooked up with some of the Cetus insult. Um, with the trail three feet, and man, it went such a long way in helping me rehab that foot and just helped a ton. Um on top of that, big fan of the stocks and big believer in the stocks as well. I use them all the time because they're amazing. Uh, but in all seriousness, I'm sure you've seen like Jim Websley, Hidden Hawks, and then you know, some of the best women in the sport, like Robin Lash, um, or even on the ski side, uh Jesse Diggins rocking uh the Statist feet. And um, for me personally, it's the run-in atomic comfort. I absolutely love those socks. Um, it's got reinforced protection, it's got a great grip chip to keep the stock from kind of moving within uh the shoe. It's breathable and it's got great protection, especially for technical trails for your heels and your toes. And uh above all else, it's breathable, so it's not gonna stink too bad. Uh, my wife definitely gives uh thumbs up when it comes to that. So I don't have two stinky feet or stinky socks. So if you haven't already, go online, check out CDS.us, and if you find something you like, use code SteepStuff. It's good for one use only. It's gonna get you 20% off your car and uh giving you guys the hookup. So hope you enjoy it. Check it out, CDUS.us insoles and socks, they've got the best in the game.
Racing Mindset And Running With Friends
SPEAKER_01I think it allows you to test your fitness a lot more. Like when you're doing a big effort like this and there's a lot of root finding and there's risk, you have to be more controlled and you have to really dial it back a little bit so that you can make good decisions. Um and when you're in a race setting, you can strip that away, and all you have to do is look for the next flag. So I really like that about racing, and of course, not having to bring like liters of water and you know, a ton of equipment is quite nice. Um on the other hand, I tend to have my best performances when I'm either like out in front of a field or running by myself because I feel like I can just focus on my own um race a little bit more. But I am excited to to go down. I've had a couple bad races in a row, although my FKTs have been going well. So I'm looking forward to going down and getting a bit of a faster effort in. There's um a few people coming down from Squamish or the Vancouver area as well. So one thing that I'm really looking forward to is running a race with some friends. I rarely get to do that because I'm usually in Europe. And I think it's actually probably been a couple years since I was at a race where um I had friends running too, and it always just makes the finish line so much nicer. Not to say I don't have this, I should say my European friends, I love you too, but like my home, my home friends that I run like all my long runs and stuff with, it's nice to see them sometimes.
SPEAKER_00No, I get it. You gotta have the homies there. I think it makes, yeah, it definitely makes it more fun, and it's kind of cool too, because you I mean, obviously uh Minotaur has been on the scene for you know a few years now, but on the world stage as far as the world series. This year wasn't, and so it's kind of nice to still have a World Skyrunner series race, like not that far away from you, even though I know Squamish is not exactly close to Cranmore, but for the Olympic Peninsula, that's not that can't be that far away from you guys to be able for travel. Is it that bad?
SPEAKER_01It's a lot closer than Minotaur.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So funny story, I was talking to my wife the other day because we're we're planning like a Pacific Northwest trip, and she wants to go to Squamish. And uh, but she was like, Oh, we could we could check out Banff too. I'm like, yo, those are not close. Like they might you might think on the map that they're kind of close. Not close. It's like a 14-hour drive.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I was having, I had a couple of friends um that went to QMT from Europe, and they were like, Oh, maybe we can come visit. And I was like, yo, this is like this is like if I was in Norway and you were in southern Spain and you were like, oh, maybe we'll just pop over on the same trip. Like you are, I have been there one time. Like this is very far away. Canada is a big place. So it is but yeah, this is actually like within driving distance. Um, and I'm yeah, I get to kind of like fly out directly from Seattle to Europe. So it actually works in pretty well with my with my plans for the rest of the summer.
Trofeo Kima Plans And Europe Timing
SPEAKER_00That's amazing. So, as far as kind of transitioning off a beast and into the other plans, uh, you and I kind of talked offline about this, and you'd said this in the first podcast that we had done that you'll be competing at Trofeo Kima. Is that how does that as far as like rank for just overall excitement for A objectives, B objectives, C objectives, just because it's every other year and it's I didn't realize it's like really hard to get into. Um so yeah, how how does Kemo rank for you as far as like objectives for this year?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Chema is um one, a really historic race, and two probably I would say one of the more competitive sky races out there. Um every other race, so it alternates between Trophy of Kema and Grigna. And they're both, they're not in exactly the same place, but they're they're kind of close to each other, they're kind of the same distance, and it's similar technicality. So I ran Grigna a couple years ago and came third and sort of had intended to run Kema the next year, and then it just didn't um work out with my plans. I don't think I was in Europe at the time. So it's always kind of like like since the beginning of my you know low running um sojourn from real work life. I've had a bit of a bucket list race, and Kema's always been on there. So I'm really happy that I'll be able to do that this year. And the start list is pretty insane on the women's side, extremely competitive. So um yeah, we'll see, we'll see how it goes, but I'm excited to experience it.
SPEAKER_00It's so epic. Yeah, I can't wait to follow along. It's gonna be uh it is weird that it's an every other year kind of thing, but still still pretty neat. I kind of like that. That it's I don't know, it creates a different type of hype, like the the excitement and the athletes, and just seems like everybody's gonna be there. So uh kind of changes things.
The Matterhorn Record And Closing Gaps
SPEAKER_00As far as uh everything else on your schedule, what else do you have planned? I know you said you were gonna do the was the MAGA Sky Marathon.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I it's a little bit close to Kema. So um I'll have to see how I'm feeling. I've been trying to decide whether I want to like call a shot on this podcast or not. Um, but I think it's it's uh it's weird timing to call it, but my big goal in going to Europe since like last year has been to go for the Matterhorn record. And ums like the FKTs that I've done at home have kind of been building towards that. And Beast of Bay Creek is actually great because you know, there is actually a part of the Matterhorn record on the Italian side that is just running uphill. Um, it's not all technical. So that's kind of the I'm gonna go and sit in Italy for a few weeks and and recon and try to get that record a lot closer to the men's. Um Millie Young from Arpterx actually just lowered the record uh yesterday or the day before. So I'm stoked to see that and hopefully can get it even lower while I'm over there and then carry that fitness straight into Kima.
SPEAKER_00Dude, I'm I'm so stoked. This is amazing. Uh and yeah, I no, I love to hear it's not really calling your shot. It's just uh, you know, you I appreciate you being open about it. Dude, a lot of people want to go for that record. I've heard more people talk about the Matterhorn this year than maybe ever. I don't know, which is kind of cool.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think there's been there's been like a lot of efforts on the men's side over the years. Uh Manu Maria and um Nadir have both gone for it um multiple times, and Nadir just went for it again and missed it by a handful of minutes. But the women's record hasn't had as much attention, and I think there is room there to lower it by a decent amount. Um so I I think it's it's it's exciting to see more women trying to go for these things, and um yeah, I'm excited to be a part of that. And as much as I would love it to be me that has the record, I also just kind of want to show what women can do in this. kind of terrain and get it as low as possible. So if I can help kind of be the rising tide to push that boat up, I'm happy to do that too.
Exposure, Footwear Feel, And Gear Choices
SPEAKER_00Epic. Is there like do you have any like special connection with the mountain? Like saw it years ago and fell in love with it or saw it, you know, and were just always interested in it. Or the fact that like you know so many athletes have gone for it, that kind of compels you. Like what what would you say like any special connection to it? Is there one?
SPEAKER_01Um I think I mean I race around the Matterhorn a couple times um at Ultrax and stuff. And it it is one of those records that stands out that is well known. You know, you have the Mot Blanc records, you have the Matterhorn records that are sort of contested on either the men's or the women's side or both. And for me, like people do think of me as more of a runner but I think my actual in my actual skill set kind of exposed scrambling is probably actually my strongest suit. And I've been able to show that off at home but not as much in Europe. And so the Matterhorn is unique because you don't need any gear but it's a really sustained very steep pitch of kind of class three, class four scrambling. And I always just thought it would suit my skill set really well and be something that I would just really enjoy. It's just like the terrain that I love. So um yeah it was a bit of a natural for me and then just knowing that there was this gap between the men's and the women's time I'm just like I'm really like motivated this year to bring some of those down quite a bit. So it's not for me it's not so much like hey let's go get the record but I'd really like to bring the time down by um another like 35 or 40 minutes under what Millie went the other day.
SPEAKER_00Hell yeah. Dude it's athletes like you that paved this forward and continue to you know just I don't know I think it's really important for you to go do things like this because that's going to inspire the next generation to go do things. I think it's incredible. And then on top of that I also didn't know I always thought like I've always seen people like roped up on that thing. I always thought like it's like these psychos that go up and just like free climb it. I didn't realize it was only third or fourth class scrambling.
SPEAKER_01So that's not well it's so exposed. Like I think you like the Tannalus is the same. Like I think I'm as far as I know I'm like maybe maybe there's been three other people that have done that route without a rope like nobody really does it and most people kind of were cautioning me that I shouldn't be soloing it. And I think the Matterhorn is sort of the same like yes people do it without ropes but the vast majority are doing this guided and on ropes like even on short ropes. And I think that I have the skill set to do it safely without um but the I think it's really it's not the difficulty of any one particular move. It's really the exposure that and the down climbing that people um kind of need the need the ropes to be safe on and and for sure I'm not taking it lightly. Like I haven't done that route I might show up and be scared out of my mind. But I do think that my risk tolerance and my kind of skills in that terrain allows me to do some of these things a lot faster and lighter than then even most you know like very skilled runners might feel comfortable doing it.
SPEAKER_00If you don't want me asking and this may be like a two into the weeds question on gear what do you do you use like special like like do you have like resold shoes?
SPEAKER_01Like do you use like special sticky rubber or did you just like use like regular Vibra mouth soles um yeah I thought a lot about getting a pair of shoes resold both for Tamilus sorry and um and for Matterhorn. Right now I haven't I think I do enough scrambling kind of around to know what I'm comfortable with. And for me actually just like being having a shoe that I can feel the rock and kind of depend on the grip is important as important to me as the actual outsole. So um Arctarix I didn't wear it in for the channelist because it's I don't think it's versatile enough but Arctarix has a shoe that's sort of like half a climbing approach shoe and half a um a running shoe that's probably like a pretty good option for for the Matterhorn and yeah as like a as a type A person as many runners are I try to like control the controllables probably too much. So yeah all those little like equipment things and and footwear choices are always the subject of intense scrutiny.
Raid Support And Practical Kit Tweaks
SPEAKER_00Yes. Well I noticed in your post too and you're wearing it right now you're rocking the new raid shirt first of all yeah talk about that shirt. Do you like it? I almost ordered one for myself the other day. They look pretty dope.
SPEAKER_01Yeah I mean I'm so I'm not a I'm not like a sponsored raid athlete but I was given one of their raid first grants for this kind of like project of FKTs leading up to and culminating in the Matterhorn. So I'm really like grateful for their support on this project. And it's actually really nice to just have a project based um you know have project based support from a brand rather than sort of like locking in to a season long or like multi-season deal. They were nice enough to give me a bunch of kit and I was also uh did their campaign for the vest. And I have to say that their gear is definitely some of the most comfortable that I have. The shorts I wore kind of you know the the TrailTe shorts for Tannaless and they were awesome just like the functionality of having a bunch of pockets on the inner liner and then I actually like stitched some elastic on the back so I could do a pole carry on the back. Yeah the shirt I'm not wearing the same one that I wore for the FKT which has like a pocket in the back that you can just like stuff snow in which I found super handy. And then the vest it's just like they've every vest is going to be different for different people vests fit people differently and people have different needs and all those things but um it is like an amazingly comfortable vest that doesn't move and has taken me from like backpacking in Peru to the refuges to doing something like the Tannaless and so all that to say I've like really liked the gear and I know it's it's pricey and um not everybody can shell out 200 bucks for a for a belt and stuff but I do really like it and I wouldn't say that if it wasn't true.
Final Thanks And Season Send-Off
SPEAKER_00I yeah I do agree I I'm religious about that belt. I have two of them three of them yeah they're amazing shout out Brandon and uh and Kyle they're good people um yeah so that's cool. Yeah I was very curious about the shirt I I tried to get a hold of one before they came out and they didn't have any and I was like all right well I guess I gotta wait to buy one.
SPEAKER_01So here we are so worth it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah 100% cool well Callie I I really appreciate your time. I told you this was going to be a quick one just to do some preview for Beast and talk about what you've been up to this summer already. Thank you so much for coming on. Wishing you the best of luck uh throughout the rest of your season I hope you smash the Matterhorn FKT and and win chemo and do all these amazing things. So we'll be cheering for you here and uh thanks again for coming on.
SPEAKER_01Thanks. Yeah have a have a great rest of the day and enjoy that Pi and dub road trip.
SPEAKER_00Yeah appreciate that thank you so much.
